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Mike
2/4/2007 10:22:06 PM (27)
I agree, although the information (which needs a bit of work) is incomplete or inaccurate in some areas, the web site is a good venue for the public to see what the police department is doing.
On closer inspection, it should be noted that the numbers listed sometimes reflect on the crime trends and not necessarily on "bad police officers."
*** P.S. Officers are prohibited by policy, and morale judgment to provide "TPD will gladly give anyone any information they request."
I know that statement was made for public information purposes; I just noted that in case someone read that and thought we should fork out anything and everything.


   

email:  Cowboy24_74114@yahoo.com




Anonymous
2/4/2007 3:06:13 PM (26)
Michelle,
You may not like the data easily accessible but the truth is anyone with a calculator and some time could have done this already from the TulsaPolice.org website. We were bound by the Decree to put it out there. I think Kirby has done a fantastic job and I am only ashamed that our department didn't do this work (although what we did do was in compliance of the Decree). TPD has done nothing wrong and we are not concerned about this data. Those that want to doubt TPD will always doubt, regardless of how transparent we are. TPD will gladly give anyone any information they request. Those that hide information are the ones that are doing wrong.


   





Michelle
2/2/2007 4:18:27 PM (25)
So what possessed you to do this? I'm still of the opinion I don't like the data so easily accessible, but I don't know you from Adam and am interested in your thoughts.


   

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Anonymous
2/2/2007 3:26:51 PM (24)
Good for you. Outing yourself.
The cops I've talked to don't find any of this offensive. They will keep on doing the right thing no matter what the data. Holding those responsible for their actions regardless how it reads in a graph.


   





Cat's Out of the Bag
2/2/2007 12:23:41 AM (23)

Looks like the perimeter wall finally got breached. There's cops running loose on my other websites now. I knew it would hold for only a little while.

Once I saw the that one hit in my logs from the guys at Name Intel, I knew someone had hired the pros to find me.

And of course, they are gonna succeed. It's not difficult to do a reverse IP whois lookup and get a list of other sites hosted at the same IP address. And from there, it's not too far to "Golly - this site looks just like tpdd.org"

So that's it. I'm outted.

It needed to happen anyway because the nature of the comments and questions was getting to the point where trying to maintain anonymity was actually rather rude. Here I am naming names, and yet I myself am nameless.

I kept my identity anonymous only so it would not affect peoples tendancy to consider my bias without even attempting to read the numbers.

And, frankly, I wasn't sure, going in, what kind of reaction I might have gotten. I didn't know if I should expect death-threats from cops, or if they would be suprised, or even pleased in my effort.

As it turns out, everyone who has commented or contacted me has exhibited great professionalism, and showed genuine concern, or raised perfectly valid points.


Kirby L. Wallace


   





TPDD
2/1/2007 5:32:37 PM (22)
On the "About Arrests" page, I have addressed how arrests are counted. If you arrest someone on three charges, that's, technically, three arrest - at least that how Law Enforcement agencies typically count them when reporting their numbers to the State Legislature.

I need to talk to you about this. Would you please email me?

Thanks.



   

email:  tpdd@tpdd.org




Anonymous
2/1/2007 3:53:04 PM (21)
Arrest statistics are not computing correctly. Please refer to the Raw Data Content Guide that's published on our website at http://www.tulsapolice.org/decree/index.html
There's a **PLEASE NOTE** explanation on that page which explains how the first 12 columns of the Arrest number designates a single arrest, and that there may be multiple charges per arrest.


   





TPDD
2/1/2007 2:19:42 AM (20)
The Total of any given criteria is calculated by adding the number for Male and Female - not all the individual races.

Since some records do not include "Gender", it is skewing the results. This is mentioned on the Arrest Stats page, but not on the Officer Stats Page.

You are quite correct. I will change the report to show total arrests (and all other activities) as the sum of the arrests by race, not by gender.

Your total searches are listed as SIX in the database because three of them do not mention what the gender of the person is.

Maybe check it out tomorrow and see if it looks right.




   





Darin
2/1/2007 12:38:35 AM (19)
The stats listed for me shows that I did search reports on 1 white person and 4 black people. But when I checked the stats for myself at the bottom of the screen it shows that I searched 1 white, 4 black, 1 Asian, and 4 unknowns. The Unknowns and the Asian were left out, skewing my stats! What's up with that? Your site displays that 66% of my searches were black people, but using the same source and better math it should be 40%.


   

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TPDD
1/31/2007 8:52:31 PM (18)
I assure you, the data is exactly as provided on the TulsaPolice.org website.

I would be very interested if you could email me, privately, and tell me which officer you know, for certain, has commendations that are not listed here (or anything else that you know for certain or that could be proven).

I would like to investigate with a real, clear, target, and come to a solid conclusion as to whether this data is accurate at all. To do that, I would need a few concrete examples of things that are demonstrably true that I can compare against what this data says should be true.

I'm much more inclined to believe a man that looks at his feet and says "my feet are green," that a database says says "last time we checked, we were pretty sure his feet were green."

Know what I mean?



   





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